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AV Rant #204: Fun Sized

November 4th, 2010

Rob’s back – but maybe for the last time. Is Tom on the verge of a new full time co-host? Keep your finger’s crossed. Updates to Xbox Live break it – Rob provides a mini-review. Hulu may drop prices – Tom thinks it’s a good idea. What do you think of $7.99 streaming only Netflix? More rants on studios (should Google TV have to pay them?), the cloud (Tom loves it), and Zune. Who will make your next 3D glasses – Samsung, Gucci, or Oakley? Can you get a good sounding $2000 5.1 speaker setup? Tom thinks so. A controversial position on first time speaker buyers. Thanks for listening and don’t forget to vote for us at Podcast Alley! To see our (mostly) complete collection of show videos, click here. To get our iPhone app, visit the iTunes store.


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  1. November 8th, 2010 at 16:25 | #1

    For a 5.1 under $2,000, I can really recommend Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000 L/R/SL/SR ($200/ea), ProCinema 2000 Center ($350), and SuperCube III 8″ sub ($650).

    All brand new from Magnolia.

    I run this system and have been very happy. You can run a ton of power through them and they respond.

    One caveat is that the highs are much more buttery than soaring. If you like crispy highs, Klipsch may be a better choice.

    And if you have a large room (> 20’x20′), you might need something with larger mids and a wider sound stage.

    The SuperCube III continues to impress me (and anyone who I show the system to). It can fill a good sized room very well. If I want better bass, I will get a second SuperCube III, instead of getting bigger one.

  2. bismarck
    November 8th, 2010 at 21:45 | #2

    I own a pair of def tech BP7006 towers and use the pro center 1000 and think they are great. I have always been a fan of definitive.

    Another system for a similar price would be a Martin Logan Motion system, with either a Martin Logan Dynamo sub or maybe a REL T3 or T2. That is under 2k and more musical than the def techs.

  3. Rob
    November 9th, 2010 at 01:01 | #3

    I must admit, $2000 for 5 speakers and a sub is a more difficult target to hit than one might expect.

    As Tom said, start by picking out a really good subwoofer. I almost always recommend the HSU VTF-2 MK3 in this situation. Naturally, an Auralex GRAMMA isolation riser is a must 😉 I honestly just consider it to be part of the subwoofer!

    So, that eats up $660 for the HSU VTF-2 MK3 (in basic black) shipped with an Auralex GRAMMA.

    Personally, I really favor di-pole or bi-pole surround speakers. Right now, at $290 with free shipping, it’s pretty hard to beat the Emotiva ERD-1 surround speakers, so my vote would almost certainly go to those.

    So that leaves a fairly healthy $1050 for the front three speakers. From that, I’ll start by subtracting $40 for a pair of Auralex MoPads and another $26.50 for a set of Bright Star Audio’s large size IsoNodes to go under the center speaker.

    Personally, I can’t stand anything less than three perfectly matched front speakers. I would rather forego the center speaker altogether and just run with the front L/R with a “phantom” center than suffer a center speaker that does not perfectly match the timbre, voice and tonality of the front L/R speakers. There is nothing I hate more than when a sound pans across the front and you can easily tell by the difference in sound when it transitions from left to center to right or vice versa. I want a seemless front soundstage and nothing less will do!

    So there are a ton of choices for the front three. But in the interest of matching the front 3 in terms of looks and sound quality to the sub and surrounds, and also meeting my criteria of a perfectly matched front soundstage, I’d probably opt for three Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE speakers, which, at $888 shipped, work out just about perfectly for the budget!

    Funny that I’d go with a sort of “Frankenstein” system, but, to me, it’s all about picking out a system where each component does its own job extremely well and then, together, all of the components work extremely well together.

    I think it is vital to include decoupling devices and account for them as part of the cost of any speaker system. I think it is ridiculous that people will spend thousands on the speakers, but won’t fork over $40 or $50 in order to allow those speakers to perform to their fullest potential by eliminating the vibrations of the surfaces around the speakers!

    So:

    – HSU VTF-2 MK3 subwoofer w/ Auralex GRAMMA = $660 shipped

    – Emotiva ERD-1 di/bi-pole surrounds = $290 shipped

    – Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE Mains + CMT-340SE Center = $888 shipped

    – Auralex MoPads to decouple the Mains = $40

    – Bright Star Audio Large IsoNodes to decouple the Center = $26.50

    Total = $1904.50

    Definitely on budget with enough left over to get plenty of speaker wire and a cable for the sub 😉

  4. Nick B
    November 12th, 2010 at 13:12 | #4

    I have to say that these past few shows without Dina have been very good. I have nothing against Dina, but having two guys that are knowledgeable about AV stuff talking about AV is a much better show to listen to. I thought that the last 10 to 15 shows with Dina were much to morning show and not enough AV focus for me. I would consider trying to get another AV geek as co-host rather than going the morning show route. Or at least alternate between the two. Anyways keep up the good work. I look forward to future shows.

  5. November 19th, 2010 at 10:06 | #5

    An alternative view on the debate of matching-center vs. non-matching-center:

    I started my system with matching L/C/R, but found that mids, especially those supporting male voices, which are mid-heavy and basically pinned to the center channel, were distractingly anemic.

    That probably suggests that the 5″ mid-range drivers on my speakers were too small, and that I should have matching full-range speakers, but for my budget and my room, 5″ drivers work well.

    I switched out the matched center for “dedicated” center (a dual mid-woofer design) and have been much happier. I don’t experience any distracting panning problems. Any problems there are are compensated for by the better vocal intelligibility of the dual-woofer center.

    Regards!

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