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AVRant #127: Midwest Love

May 7th, 2009

Two years of AV Rant and Dina still hasn’t killed Tom? He must be doing something wrong. If you missed the Q&A last week, stick around, we’ll have some more in the future. Got some old HD DVDs you’d like to trade in for Blu-rays? Red2Blu is the answer. Can you get an honest opinion about a speaker? Tom weighs in. A few listener questions are addressed including the purpose of the RGB Gain/Cut adjustments (some additional info here and here), graphing the frequency response of your room, and whether or not Blu-ray is worth it. Best Buy goes vinyl, newspapers are dying, a review of an HT Guys interview, and Dina loves the Midwest. Loves it so hard it hurts. Great job HDMI with your destimulus plan. Thanks for listening and don’t forget to vote for us at Podcast Alley.

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  1. May 7th, 2009 at 12:35 | #1

    AV Rant points for the person that can identify why Dina sounds so much better on the podcast than me. Audio version, not video.

  2. Kai Winters
    May 7th, 2009 at 16:34 | #2

    Love the video…
    Dina is H O T, HOT, HOT.
    Love the podcast.
    Thanks,
    Kai

  3. AndrewR
    May 7th, 2009 at 19:17 | #3

    A true Star Trek fan will see it anyways Tom…..

    My only beef with the movie is Spock…..the dude from Heroes? Really? Worst actor ever…..

  4. Rob
    May 7th, 2009 at 20:41 | #4

    For Kai…to describe Dina 😉

    http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Tamale/

  5. Rob
    May 8th, 2009 at 03:49 | #5

    Hey…for Star Trek? Maybe we should wait for the Blu-ray and then do that BD-Live thing where we sync up players so that we all watch it together at exactly the same time…

    😐

    lol…ok…no…I can’t keep a straight face and say such a thing 😀 Honestly, that has to be the most lame idea ever created, isn’t it? Who the hell would ever actually use that feature?

    But I WILL go see it in IMAX on a Wednesday around noon when there are all of 6 other people in the theatre, because that is – as far as I am concerned – the ONLY enjoyable way to watch a movie in a theatre anymore.

    And then I can chat about it online with total strangers…because, while still lame, that is still no where near as lame as the BD-Live thing 😉

    • May 8th, 2009 at 08:55 | #6

      Kai – True

      Andrew – I’m going to have to agree about the heroes guy thing. He looks the part but even in the previews he looks way too emotional

      Rob – that does sound pretty lame. Let me know how the movie turns out. Hopefully I’ll be wrong. Isn’t this one an odd number though? And yes, I realize that the last even ST sucked.

  6. Kai Winters
    May 8th, 2009 at 10:34 | #7

    Thanks Rob lol.
    Hoping to see Star Trek on Sunday.
    My wife and I were talking about the first Star Trek movie…long ago in a theater far away…oops wrong setup hehehe.
    We stood in the rain for 3 freakin’ hours to be among the first to see it.
    It was worth it by a long shot, though standing in the rain was not so much fun.
    Being older and “wiser”…don’t ask my wife…now I won’t be standing in the rain but I will try to be there Sunday.

  7. leitweight
    May 8th, 2009 at 11:21 | #8

    My guess on the audio: you had the settings in Audacity set to the wrong bit rate. Good show anyway. (Doubt you can blame ooVoo for this one.)

    I too am worried about Spock. Guess I’ll have to wait til next week cuz I can’t handle opening weekend audiences.

    I also commented on the Kevin LaTour interview on the seldom used HT Guys forum at AVS. LAME!

  8. Glenn
    May 8th, 2009 at 12:56 | #9

    As I missing something? Can’t seem to see a link to any video version of the podcast.

  9. May 8th, 2009 at 14:57 | #10

    oh tom, you KNOW you want to know all of my secrets…

    and dina, just for not telling any i promise to NOT make a narrated slideshow of “lea’s favorite photos of dina” for the funeral…

  10. Jon
    May 9th, 2009 at 00:34 | #11

    Another great show! You guys had me cracking up as I drove to work today. You aren’t really the Morning Show of AV podcasts, because you are actually funny.

    Tom, I’ve spent many an hour of quality time playing with the Eye 1 LT and the Color HCFR software. Here’s the link to Greyscale for Dummies: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457 I’ve had good luck and think I learned quite a bit. I’m curious how this guide differs from what you learned at THX class. I’ve calibrated my Pioneer 5010 Kuro, and also one of my friend’s Samsung plasma that has the color management system in the user menu. Very sweet. I was able to get the grey scale pretty dead-on, at least as far as the Eye One LT goes, and adjusted the color gamut pretty close to dead on. I need to go back and finish up the saturation.

    I think instead of saying “Don’t touch!”, you should say “Get a meter and rock on!” Aren’t we all really geeks here, after all?

    My wife laughs at me and says I spend more time watching test patterns than actually watching a movie or tv content. I reply that the test patterns are much more interesting.

    Congrats on the PS3!

  11. Rob
    May 9th, 2009 at 04:08 | #12

    Hey all, let’s not be too hard on Kevin LaTour. After all, if there is one thing upon which every last man, woman and child can agree, it is that the most reliable metric for measuring ultimate performance is PRICE.

    Price is how I know, with absolute certainty, that the Bose cube home theatre systems are better than any of the other systems sold at Best Buy. They are the most expensive ones offered and therefore, without question, THE BEST. Just gawk in astonishment at those tiny, light-weight speakers! They are so small and light, it is almost as though they are made of thin, cheap plastic and contain only the smallest amount of internal components possible. But because of the PRICE, I know – without any inspection – that they are made of only the finest materials and engineered with greater skill and precision than any of the other speaker packages.

    Of course, those Bose speakers are only as good and not nearly as important as the electronics up-stream and the cables, which connect them. While some run-of-the-mill Denon receiver or over-seas manufactured amp from Emotiva might produce some sort of music-like croaking, it is only by using this ( http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/ )$190,000 5000 Watt Goldmund Telos 5000 amplifier that you can achieve true audio realism.

    Some may ask if it makes sense to power $1300 Bose speakers with a $190,000 amplifier, but clearly, such people (if indeed, they can rightly be called members of the human race) do not understand the intricacies of sound and the way in which an expensive amplifier can retrieve musical notes that were not even recorded; yet, I assure you, existed during the live performance!

    The cables are – obviously – just as important as the amplifier and therefore – logically – ought to cost just as much! Cables are not just a means of transmitting an electrical signal from one component to another. No no! They are a conduit through which actual music passes! There is no means to measure music-transduction accuracy, which is why science cannot explain the OBVIOUS superiority of exceedingly expensive cables. But scientists overlook the obvious. The cables are exceedingly expensive, ergo, they have superior music-transduction capabilities!

    All too often, even the golden-eared among us will stop at this point, content in the knowledge that our Bose speakers, $190,000 amplifier and $190,000 cables are expensive and therefore good. But there are so many ways to make this system even better!

    We all know for a fact that the electricity coming from the wall outlet has a TREMENDOUS influence on the sound quality. The electricity provided by the local infrastructure is inexpensive; thus, it has poor sound quality. One can easily see that we must drastically increase the PRICE of the electricity in order to raise its audio performance!

    That is where Richard Gray’s Power Company comes in. RGPC’s products are so expensive that they do not require UL Certification. We know, from the price, that they will improve the audio quality of our systems. They will even work in reverse and improve the power throughout your entire home by making it more expensive! Without any scientific basis what-so-ever and without the hassle of abiding safety regulations, Richard Gray’s Power Company FINALLY lets us fix all audio problems at the source!

    Naturally, we do not need to worry about the wiring in our houses. The electricity has travelled dozens, sometimes hundreds of miles from the power plant via plain-Jane copper cables. It has been dispersed from local sub-stations and entered our homes via copper cables installed by the local municipality. It has travelled through our homes via bulk 14-2 copper. But we all know that it is only the last six feet that counts!

    It is in those last six feet between the wall outlet and the amplifier that incomprehensible damage is done to the musical signal, which is why it is vital to replace all power cords with multi-thousand dollar after-market power cords!

    With the musical purity of our electrical power intact, we can finally turn our attention to the recorded medium. Clearly, vinyl records are the only recorded medium worthy of consideration as it goes without saying that vinyl is superior to all other formats in every way imaginable. Despite the absolute certainty of vinyl’s complete dominion of recording technology, there has recently been some doubt cast over the infallibility of vinyl’s perfection. There have been whispers of vinyl records being sold for mere pennies at gypsy gatherings (the poor people refer to these gatherings as “yard sales”). And there have been reports that Best Buy might even start to sell vinyl, creating the assumption that vinyl records are of the same lowly importance as speakers!

    But it should not cause you any concern. Kevin LaTour was an installer for 30 years and we are all well aware that it is impossible to have done something for 30 years while being mistaken the entire time! Compare Kevin’s experience to something like Audioholics, which has only existed for about 10 years. Instead of tuning a system by ear and relying on price as the sole indication of quality, Audioholics clings to such non-sense as science, measurements and electrical engineering! So who are you going to trust? Someone who tells you the obvious – that higher price equals higher quality – or some “web magazine” that relies on “math” and incredibly precise test equipment?

    As a final note – pay no attention to these claims that the room itself plays an integral part in the final sound quality and ought to be measured and treated for acoustic properties. There is no audio problem that cannot be overcome with the proper cables. And seriously? Who would want any of those ugly bass trap thingies in their room? They would only cover your ornate gold trim!

    Thank you.

  12. Andy S
    May 10th, 2009 at 14:54 | #13

    Tom, Star Trek is great. Don’t worry and just go.

    I just got back from seeing it on IMAX and enjoyed it a lot.

  13. May 11th, 2009 at 11:11 | #14

    Glenn – Sorry about the late reply. I’m using a new service for hosting the videos (through ooVoo) so it is a little bit different than before. The videos will always be under the pictures (if I have one). If you don’t see it, hit refresh. I’m using IE7 and it took two refreshes for it to show up correctly. I was using imeem to host the videos but they blocked me. I’ve got a little bit of free storage at ooVoo for now that I can use why I look for another free service. The problem is that the videos are so long. YouTube and now imeem both have length limits (imeem didn’t before this week). I’m open to suggestions.

  14. May 11th, 2009 at 11:12 | #15

    Andy – I’m very likely going to do just that. I’m trying to get the wife to go with me. If not, I’ll go to a late show alone.

  15. Kai Winters
    May 11th, 2009 at 19:10 | #16

    Finally listened to the May 7 podcast today. Once again….well done.
    I especially love the way Tom’s voice goes up several octaves when he is distressed…over the haircut issue lol…or gets called out by Dina…lol what a hoot.
    Thanks for a great podcast.
    Kai

  16. Nelson
    May 18th, 2009 at 11:28 | #17

    Tom, I use HCFR for video measurements with the HCFR sensor ($75 for the sensor) and have been using RoomEqWizard for audio measurements. I picked up a Creative USB sound interface used of Amazon for about $25 and a Behringer ECM8000 microphone for $50. I already had a small 4 channel mixer. The best thing is both software programs are free and work very well.

    I do have a new JCV HD350 projector and easily set the color temp but the gama settings on that beast are difficult. Adjust one and it affect others. Very frustrating. But the projector’s image is great! 1080P on a 120″ screen 🙂

  17. May 19th, 2009 at 10:23 | #18

    Nelson – you are the man! HCFR is a decent program (great for the price) and it sounds like you’ve really gotten into this stuff. I’ve got a video calibration interview scheduled for this week so hopefully you’ll enjoy that. Look for it to go live (provided that they guy doesn’t cancel) in the next few weeks.

  18. Raul in HD
    June 3rd, 2009 at 19:59 | #19

    …”It sounded like the Emptying of a wallet to a trash can”

    LOL!!!!!!!! oh yeah!

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